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| Elder James E. Talmage |
I flipped to the scripture passage cited and looked at my margin notes. In my margins I had written, “Premortal spirit body of Jesus Christ, NOT the Holy Ghost,” and I cross-referenced the experience of the brother of Jared in Ether. There was no indication in my margin notes how I had made that conclusion. I boldly took exception to the comment made in the two classes, and concluded somewhat flippantly, “Who would you rather believe, James E. Talmage or David Goates?”
There are many, many thoughts that pass through my head these days then quickly are forgotten, but this one lingered. How could I be so sure? If James E. Talmage believed it was the spirit body of the Holy Ghost, then how did I come to a different conclusion? You have to realize this about me – I think I'm old enough now to have forgotten most of what I’ve learned over a lifetime. I have to “refresh the memory card” in my faltering brain from time to time.
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| Elder Harold B. Lee, circa 1954 |
Elder Lee in the lecture that day was quoting President George Q. Cannon (counselor in the First Presidency to Brigham Young), who wrote an editorial in answer to someone who apparently was criticizing the Brethren, thinking they had made an error. The editorial appeared in the Instructor, 1891:
We have received a communication from one of our friends, in which he says he has been requested to ask a question as to the meaning of the note in Leaflet 52 [an old missionary tract] in regard to angels. The statement is there made that “they may be spirits who have never had bodies, or they may be resurrected and glorified beings.”
Elder Lee had previously read D&C 129:1-3 and then he read D&C 130:4-5, stating: “In answer to the question – Is not the reckoning of God’s time, angel’s time, prophet’s time, and man’s time, according to the planet on which they reside? I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it."
Then Elder Lee observes: From these passages in the Doctrine and Covenants, he questions the correctness of the note in the leaflet referred to. In answer to that inquiry, this is what President Cannon says:
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| President George Q. Cannon |
Then Elder Lee concludes: “Here, President Cannon is putting himself on the side of those who believe that that appearance in 1 Nephi, the 11th chapter was the appearance of the Holy Ghost. (Some of our Brethren, I think, may have other ideas).”
Notwithstanding the views of President George Q. Cannon, I value that statement by President Lee, “Some of our Brethren may have other ideas.” My conclusion was based upon the subject matter of the dream of Lehi, the centerpiece being the tree of life, symbolizing the Savior. I concluded the Savior was involved in His appearance to Nephi, just as He was in the experience where He showed His spirit body to the brother of Jared, Moses and others like Abraham. Does the premortal spirit of Jesus Christ have to appear in the vision of Nephi to narrate his future mortal role in mortality? No, not necessarily, but why not?
So today after Sunday School, I looked deeper.
Elder James E. Talmage:
The Holy Ghost, called also Spirit, and Spirit of the Lord, Spirit of God, Comforter, and Spirit of Truth, is not tabernacled in a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of spirit; yet we know that the Spirit has manifested Himself in the form of a man. (See 1 Nephi 11:11).
. . . . That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man. "I spake unto him," says Nephi, "as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another." (See 1 Nephi 11:11; Articles of Faith, 38; 144-45).
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| Elder LeGrand Richards |
The Holy Ghost is a male personage. Note how often Jesus refers to the Holy Ghost as "he" and "him," in the above quotations. He is a male personage of spirit as was Jesus before he was born of the Virgin Mary. Note Jesus' own statement:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17:4-5).
"Before the world was," Jesus was with the Father and shared his glory. But he was a personage of spirit until he was born into the world. It was while Jesus had his spirit body that he created this earth under the direction of his Father. (See John 1:1-14). Likewise, the Holy Ghost in his spirit body has his assignment of responsibility as the third member of the Godhead, which assignment is that of a Comforter. While Jesus does not explain why he and the Holy Ghost cannot remain on the earth and serve together, nevertheless he does make this fact clear: ". . . It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you. . ." (John 16:7).
When the Book of Mormon prophet Nephi was shown, by the Spirit of the Lord, the dream his father had seen, Nephi asked him the interpretation thereof:
And it came to pass after I had seen the tree, I said unto the Spirit: I behold thou hast shown unto me the tree which is precious above all.
And he said unto me: What desirest thou?
And I said unto him: To know the interpretation thereof — for I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another. (1 Nephi 11:9-11). (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, 115-116).
Charles D. Tate, Monte S. Nyman:
Having been caught away to a high mountain for instruction, Nephi was asked by a personage whom he calls "the Spirit:” "What desirest thou?" Nephi answered promptly: "I desire to behold the things which my father saw." (1 Nephi 11:1-3). Then followed a series of questions, answers, and visual explanations to the young Nephite seer. Having been shown the vision of the tree, the same which Lehi had beheld, Nephi was asked, "What desirest thou?" to which he responded, "To know the interpretation thereof — for I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another" (1 Nephi 11:9-11, italics added). One is faced right away with an interesting theological question: is Nephi's guide, designated by him as "the Spirit of the Lord," the premortal Christ (the individual spirit personage who became Jesus Christ in mortality) or the Holy Ghost?
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| Sidney B. Sperry |
After explaining to the Holy Ghost that he sought the meaning behind the representation of the tree of life, Nephi "looked as if to look upon" the Spirit, "and [he] saw him not; for he had gone from before [his] presence" (1 Nephi 11:12). Nephi was then caught away into vision again, this time beholding many of the cities of the Holy Land, specifically Nazareth of Galilee. The heavens were opened to Nephi and "an angel came down and stood before" him. This angel, whose identity is not given, became Nephi's guide and instructor throughout the remainder of his panoramic vision. . . (First Nephi: The Doctrinal Foundation, by Charles D. Tate, Monte S. Nyman, 165-167).
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| Robert L. Millet |
Nephi desires to receive the same vision his father received. As he sits pondering, Nephi experiences some marvelous things as the Spirit of the Lord takes him through quite an extensive vision, and then an angel questions him. By 1 Nephi 11, Nephi has seen the tree of life and is given to understand that it is symbolic of the love of God as manifest in Christ.
Let's read 1 Nephi 11:9-11 to learn more about the Holy Ghost:
And it came to pass after I had seen the tree, I said unto the Spirit: I behold thou hast shown unto me the tree which is precious above all.
And he said unto me: What desirest thou?
And I said unto him: To know the interpretation thereof for I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another. (Emphasis added)
There seem to be at least two possibilities of whom Nephi is speaking to in those verses: (1) the premortal Messiah, Christ himself, the Spirit Lord, or (2) the Holy Ghost. Now, the latter possibility would make Nephi's experience a bit unusual because nowhere else in the scriptures do we have the Holy Ghost appear and speak with someone "as a man speaketh with another." (I suppose we would describe what takes place at the baptism of Jesus as an appearance of the Holy Ghost to man, but he was not in the form of a man.)
One way to discover who is speaking to Nephi is to examine the different uses of the phrase Spirit of the Lord in the Book of Mormon. The phrase Spirit of the Lord occurs exactly forty times. If you study these forty references, you will find that the phrase Spirit of the Lord refers most of the time to the Holy Ghost and occasionally to the light of Christ. I prefer to read this passage from 1 Nephi 11:11 as an appearance of the Holy Ghost to Nephi. Elder Talmage, in The Articles of Faith, suggested that he also felt this was the Holy Ghost, and President Romney concurred. Thus, Nephi's experience with the Holy Ghost appearing as a spirit man was a pretty singular occasion.
So, within the first twenty pages (eleven chapters) of the Book of Mormon, we learn that the powers of the Holy Ghost are real; that God constantly reveals himself, by the Holy Ghost, to those who seek and search; and that the Holy Ghost, though a spirit personage, is in the form of a man. (http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/godhead/millett_nature.htm).
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| President Marion G. Romney |
1 Nephi 11:11 “. . . I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord; and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with another.”
“That the [Holy Ghost] is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi. . . in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man.” (Ensign, May 1974, 90).
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CONCLUSION:
After reviewing the opinions of those cited, what I found interesting is that in my research I have not been able to find a statement by any President of the Church in this dispensation who offers an opinion on the identity of Nephi’s first spirit guide in his vision. Many will ask, "So what?" It's reminiscent of trying to discover the identity of "Elias" in D&C 110:12. In both cases all we have are educated guesses and studied opinions. For example, in the Elias identity sweepstakes we have several opinions from which to choose: B.H. Roberts says it's Melchizedek, Joseph Fielding Smith says Noah, Bruce R. McConkie says a prophet named Elias during the days of Abraham, I say why not Abraham? Take your pick.
Absent any definitive source on the topic at hand, when I wrote my margin notes years ago in 1 Nephi 11:11, I must have sided with President Lee who planted a seed of doubt by stating, “Some of our Brethren may have other ideas.” He never elaborated on that statement from 1954 onward, he just left it at that.
And so will I. . .






